LAZYBAG
The graphite color is reference SUNB 5082 152.
Yes, the logo have to be on the lazybag, @Benjamin ARTHAUD (Outremer) will share the logo to Hugues
I don’t have pictures of the hay rack boom of the 52, will send you pictures of the N°1 as soon as we received it.
You can see the lazybag of the 55 on the virtual tour https://catamaran-outremer.com/catamarans/outremer-55/
MAIN SAIL
- Material: 3Di Ocean 700
- Color: black
- Battens: Carbon
- Clews: stitching for soft shackles for the reefing hooks (x3)
- Numbers in the main FRA 52004
- Trim stripes: neon green
- Neon Green - pantone reference: 13-0340-TN
GENOA
- Material: 3Di Ocean 700
- Color: black
- Telltale window: 1
- UV protection band: black
- Trim stripes: neon green
- Neon Green - pantone reference: 13-0340-TN
STAYSAIL
- Material: 3Di Ocean 700 (UltraPE / Aramid Hybrid)
- Color: black
- UV protection: no
CODE 65
- Material: 3Di Downwind 706
- Color: black
- UV protection: no
- Trim stripes NEON Green
- Neon Green - pantone reference: 13-0340-TN
A2
- Material: NorLon 150 (1.5 oz)
- Color: white (mono color)
- Trim chevron: black
- Snuffer: regular North Sail snuffer
@August 26, 2022
Bonjour,
Pardon d’avoir pris du temps pour vous répondre et merci pour votre relance. Entre les vacances et la reprise, pleins de dossiers se télescopent !....
Le 3DI Ocean est un produit tout à fait compatible avec le programme de multicoque de croisière. La technologie du 3DI par la précision de sa mise en œuvre offre à la voile une structure parfaitement adaptée aux efforts rencontrés dans la voile, ce qui les rend très performantes et solides. Les matériaux utilisés dans la structure vont conditionner le rapport performance/longévité (et prix aussi). Le carbone propose une meilleure résistance à l’allongement et donc à la déformation, mais vieillit plus vite. Le carbone n’est donc pas forcément le matériau idéal pour la croisière. L’aramide présente aussi quelques inconvénient du même type.
C’est pour ces raisons que Northsails a créer le 3DI Océan. L’objectif est d’améliorer la longévité des voiles par les matériaux. Dans le 3DI Ocean il y a beaucoup de dyneema, pas de carbone, et peu d’aramide. Le dyneema offre une excellente résistance à la rupture ainsi qu’à la pliure et aux UV, il convient donc de l’utiliser pour un programme de croisière.
De plus je dirais que le catamaran par sa structure est plus tôt plus souple qu’un mono ou un tri. La résistance à l’allongement n’est donc pas forcément l’objectif principal.
Je recommande donc plutôt le 3DI Ocean pour des raisons purement techniques. Accessoirement il convient de préciser qu’il est moins cher que les versions Endurance et Raw.
Je ne serai malheureusement pas à Cannes cette année, aussi je vous invite à passer sur notre stand et vous demandez Philippe Touët (directeur de NS France) qui connait très bien l’équipe d’Outremer et saura tout à fait vous renseigner sur nos produits.
Nous pouvons convenir d’un rendez-vous en ligne si vous le souhaitez aussi.
Je vous joins ici pour votre information quelques données sur nos produits et les caractéristiques principales des matériaux que nous utilisons.
Pour l’aspect financier, je laisse Outremer vous faire une proposition tarifaire comme convenu par nos accords.
Cordialement
Ps : je pense que North Sails peut répondre parfaitement à vos besoins aussi pour les voiles de portant. Je serais ravi de vous en parler directement.
Hugues Destremau
Ventes
O: +33 297 409 090
M: +33 778 636 183
skype: hugues.destremau
Q&A
1- Est-ce que vous pouvez expliquer le paragraphe ci-dessous?
"De plus je dirais que le catamaran par sa structure est plus tôt plus "souple" qu’un mono ou un tri. La résistance à l’allongement n’est donc pas forcément l’objectif principal."
Plus souple pour les voiles? Même pour des catamarans plutôt rigides et performants comme les Outremer?
La structure des catas est intrinsèquement plus souple que les monos ou tris. Les voiles n’ont donc pas besoin d’une raideur extrême pour être performante. Le 3DI Ocean a d’ailleurs été pensé pour fournir aux Cata de croisière des voiles suffisamment élaborées pour résister aux efforts et durer dans le temps.
Je pense que le gain en performance proposé par le 3DI Endurance est faible (voire négligeable) par rapport à la longévité du 3DI Ocean.
2- Comment est-ce que North Sails obtient les couleurs differentes (noir, gris, blanc) pour le materiau 3Di Ocean?
Ces couleurs sont obtenues par une coloration de la fibre lorsqu’elle est dans le « pregger » et par la coloration du taffeta (pour le 3DI Ocean).
3- Pour la trinquette, est-ce que vous recommandez le même matériau?
L’intérêt de 3DI est aussi dans la trinquette qui est supposée subir des conditions rudes.
Bonjour Stéphane , Je suis très satisfait de mes voiles North après 1 an d’utilisation . Je suis équipé avec GV , génois , solent auto vireur et trinquette sur étai textile .Spi A4 , Spi A5 et code 65 .
J’ai travaillé directement avec North sail Marseille , Philippe Escale qui m’a conseillé sur le plan de voile qui correspond à mon programme .
Je vous donne ses coordonnées, vous pouvez l’appeler il vous conseillera avec plaisir pour avancer dans votre projet de voiles North .
Philippe Escalle +33 6 09 17 58 55
Vous pouvez l’appeler de ma part , il est informé de votre projet .
Je ne serai pas à Cannes ni aux O Week mais si vous souhaitez venir essayer les voiles North sur Magic Kili vous pouvez passer à MARSEILLE pour faire une sortie à la journée et un essai des voiles . En fonction du planing sur bateau .
Voici mon numéro de tel 06 89 70 53 83 Bien à vous Jean David
NORTH SAILS - FIBERS & FABRICS
- NORTH SAILS - FIBERS & FABRICS
- IMPORTANT TERMS
- MATERIAL COMPARISONS
- SAIL FIBERS & MATERIAL PROPERTIES
- TRADE-OFFS
- HOW ARE NORTH SAILS DESIGNED?
- WHAT IS 3Di?
- 3Di OCEAN - “Cruising Performance Perfected”
- 3Di OCEAN is an Ideal choice when:
- OCEAN : Ultra PE / Aramid
- AVAILABLE SAIL TYPES
- 3Di OCEAN HIGHLIGHTS
- AVAILABLE COLORS
- 3Di ENDURANCE - “Fast, Tough, Versatile”
- 3Di ENDURANCE is an ideal choice when:
- AVAILABLE SAIL TYPES
- ENDURANCE HIGHLIGHTS
- RECOMMENDED USE
- AVAILABLE COLORS
- SQUARE TOP RACING MAINSAIL
- Standard Features
- Optional Features
- ROLLER FURLING GENOA
- Standard Features
- Optional Features
- 3Di DOWNWIND - “Offwind Perfection”
- 3Di Composite Sailmaking, Now Available Downwind
- RECOMMENDED USE
- AVAILABLE COLORS
- HELIX CODE ZERO
- Standard Features
- Optional Features
- RACING ASYMMETRIC SPINNAKERS - A2 & A4
- Standard Features
- Optional Features
- NORTH 3Di FABRICATION PROCESS
- VIDEO OUTLINE / TRANSCRIPT - Performance Sail Product Selection & Review
IMPORTANT TERMS
TERMS | DEFINITION |
BREAKING STRENGTH | Breaking strength is the load required to break a fiber of a specific weight (in denier).
Used primarily as a reference for measuring the effects of flex, sunlight and chemical attack on the ultimate strength of sailcloth over time. |
DENIER | Denier is the weight in grams for 9000 meters of a given yarn.
A higher denier signifies a heavier fiber. |
FLEX STRENGTH | Flex strength is the ability of a fiber to retain its strength after being folded back and forth.
Flex strength is commonly expressed as loss in breaking strength after fifty 180° back-and-forth folds over a dull knife. |
INITIAL MODULUS | Initial Modulus describes a material’s inherent ability to resist stretch.
Initial modulus is usually expressed as grams of load per unit of stretch for a certain
amount of fiber weight.
The higher the initial modulus, the less the fiber will stretch. |
UV RESISTANCE | UV resistance measures the effect of sunlight on cloth.
UV resistance is usually expressed as the time it would take for a material exposed to Florida sunlight to lose half of its breaking strength. |
MATERIAL COMPARISONS
SAIL FIBERS & MATERIAL PROPERTIES
POLYESTER
”DACRON” | Polyester has for decades been the most commonly used sail fiber because it is
strong, durable and relatively inexpensive.
Woven polyester sailcloth is often called “dacron”, in reference to the brand name given by DuPont to their Type 52 Dacron yarn, which was developed specifically for sailcloth and was the industry standard for years. Over the years other suppliers have introduced premium polyester yarns well suited to sailcloth.
Premium polyester yarns deliberately feature very high shrinkage when heated during the finishing process. High shrinkage, combined with very tight weaving, produces sailcloth which is tightly packed and stable without having to rely on on
adding excess (and less durable) resins for stability.
Polyester fabric is used both as stand-alone woven cloth and as a component in laminates.
Polyester yarn is quite resistant to UV damage. |
NYLON | Nylon is widely used for spinnakers and asymmetric spinnakers (GennakersTM) because it is low cost, is lightweight for its strength, and exhibits good UV stability.
Nylon is quite stretchy (a big part of why it has very good strength), which is not
a liability in downwind sails where some sail stretch is desirable.
One warning about nylon to bear in mind: while nylon is a rugged material, it is very susceptible to damage from exposure to chlorine. Never use bleach when washing or rinsing nylon sails, and never soak a nylon sail in a swimming pool. |
ARAMID
”KEVLAR, TEIJIN’S TWARON, TECHNORA” | Aramid fibers are lightweight, have high resistance to stretch and high breaking strength. Not surprisingly aramids are often the fiber of choice for racing sails, and
can also be viable in laminated cruising sails, when properly protected from excess UV and flexing.
Kevlar® (a Dupont product) and Teijin’s Twaron® and Technora® are commonly used aramid fibers in sails.
Aramid fibers are often blended with even lower-stretch and higher strength carbon
fibers within the same racing sail.
While not inexpensive, aramid fibers are moderately priced in comparison to the most exotic fiber types. |
ULTRA PE
”DYNEEMA” | Ultra PE (UHMWPE) was originally introduced as a competitor to Kevlar.
The brand names Dyneema®, produced by the Dutch company DSM, and
Honeywell’s Spectra® are familiar to many sailors.
These fibers are highly processed polyethylenes which offer very good UV resistance, very low stretch and very high breaking strength.
Ultra PE fiber does exhibit some tendency to “creep” (elongate over time when kept
under sustained high load). As a result the UltraPE mass in sailcloth needs to
be relatively high compared to expected sail load.
“Spectra/Dyneema” has been used primarily on larger cruising boats where reasonable weight, strength and durability are paramount.
Ultra PE fiber is expensive, but very long sail life ensures high value in these sails. |
CARBON FIBER | Carbon Fiber appeared in sails during the 1992 America’s Cup and has since been
widely accepted in grand prix sailing – including high end cruising applications.
Carbon fibers are impervious (unable to be affected by) to UV damage and have extremely high modulus (low stretch), but are quite sensitive to flex.
If you take a raw carbon fiber tow (yarn) and fold it in your fingers it will snap after only one or two hard folds. Depending on the carbon content and the construction
of the sailcloth, crews need to be very careful to avoid flogging and hard creases
when flaking or folding a sail.
A notable breakthrough in the utilization of Carbon is in blending it with Ultra PE fiber where the two material’s complementary properties are synergistic. |
OTHER FIBERS | PEN - Brand name ‘Pentex’. Related to Polyester (PET).
LCP - Liquid Crystal Polymer. Common brand name ‘Vectran’
PBO - Very susceptible to sunlight and flex damage. PBO based sails proved very short lived. |
TRADE-OFFS
The ideal sailcloth fiber would:
- DURABILITY: last for decades of use, stand up to the harsh sailing environment (toughness and structural durability)
- PERFORMANCE: not stretch under load (modulus and shape holding)
- COST: be low in cost
But in the real world, available fibers exhibit varying degrees of these attributes with some materials having vanishingly small levels of stretch for weight, but less than desirable durability, while others are tough, but somewhat stretchy. Finding the right balance of properties for your type of sailing and keeping within budget is the key to being happy with your sails.
HOW ARE NORTH SAILS DESIGNED?
WHAT IS 3Di?
3Di technology is made possible because of three components:
- Spread-filament tapes.
- Sail shape set on a full size 3D mold.
- Elimination of Mylar.
Read more about North 3Di: http://bit.ly/innovative-sailmaking-t...
OLD but good explanation
3Di OCEAN - “Cruising Performance Perfected”
A New Class Of Superyacht Cruising Sails 3Di OCEAN is engineered to meet the expectations of large global cruising yachts. OCEAN features the highest UltraPE ‘Dyneema’ content of any 3Di product, maximizing the benefits of UltraPE material properties in spread filament, molded composite sailmaking. 3Di OCEAN sails provide ease of use and handling by reducing bulk, weight and stiffness while retaining ultimate breaking strength and reliability. 3Di OCEAN employs protective outer surfaces of woven polyester taffeta tapes that are tougher and more durable than non-woven ‘skins’. This surface provides additional protection against flex, chafe, abrasion and UV degradation. Available in a choice of surface colors, 3Di OCEAN sails provide the striking appearance and performance of 3Di, with a focus on long term durability and value.
3Di OCEAN is an Ideal choice when:
- You own a large yacht and expect the highest quality sails
- You require durability and reliability for global cruising
- You expect sails that are easy to use and to own
- You appreciate the elegance of superior technology
OCEAN : Ultra PE / Aramid
- Coastal Cruising
- Offshore Cruising
- Multihull
AVAILABLE SAIL TYPES
- Cruising Gennaker
- Roller Furling Jib
- Roller Furling Genoa
- High Roach Mainsail
- Boom Furling Mainsail
- Mast Furling Mainsail
- Full-Batten Cruising Mainsails
- Cruising Mainsails
3Di OCEAN HIGHLIGHTS
- One-piece, 3D molded, seamless composite construction
- High Ultra PE content for high strength and reliability
- Integrated internal batten pockets, corner reinforcements and reef structure
AVAILABLE COLORS
3Di ENDURANCE - “Fast, Tough, Versatile”
3Di ENDURANCE is the most rugged version of our composite molded sail technology. ENDURANCE sails strike a balance between performance and reliability. Evolved from the original 3Di sail and continually refined, 3Di ENDURANCE represents the state of the art in high performance and durability.
In addition to the unique benefits inherent to all 3Di sails, the defining characteristic of ENDURANCE is a special group of external non-woven filament tapes that carry a tough, proprietary, surface resin. ENDURANCE offers enhanced protection against damage from flex, abrasion and UV exposure. For many sailors, this added durability is a worthwhile benefit despite a modest increase in sail weight and thickness compared to RAW sails.
3Di ENDURANCE is an ideal choice when:
- You want to own the most advanced cruising sail available
- You want to own a durable, high performance, race-capable sail
- You may use your sails for either racing or cruising
- Your boat performance will benefit from superior3D sail shape
AVAILABLE SAIL TYPES
- Cruising Gennaker
- Roller Furling Jib
- Roller Furling Genoa
- High Roach Mainsail
- Square Top Racing Mainsail
- Boom Furling Mainsail
- Mast Furling Mainsail
- Full-Batten Cruising Mainsails
- Cruising Mainsails
- Racing Mainsail
ENDURANCE HIGHLIGHTS
- 3D composite construction
- Most durable 3Di sail available
- The gold standard in offshore sailing
RECOMMENDED USE
- ENDURANCE 760: Ultra PE / Aramid
- ENDURANCE 780: Ultra PE / Carbon / Aramid
Coastal Cruising / Offshore Cruising / Inshore Racing / Offshore Racing / Multihull
AVAILABLE COLORS
SQUARE TOP RACING MAINSAIL
Square Top Mainsails, our most advanced model, dominate Grand Prix racing worldwide. The square top profile provides highly efficient progressive twist, reduced mast tip vortex and optimized sail area distribution. North designers precisely balance sail camber with head width while accounting for specific mast bend characteristics and target sailing conditions. All sail elements work together, including membrane modulus, batten stiffness, and batten configuration – resulting in finely controlled airfoil performance.
Standard Features
- Rule Optimized Roach Profile
- Optimized Gaff Batten Angle
- 1 or more Full Length Battens
- RBS E-Glass Tapered Battens*
- Exclusive Tie in Batten Adjusters
- Hard Braid Luff Rope
- Cunningham
- Adjustable Leech and Foot Cords
- Loose Foot with Integral Foot Shelf
- Exclusive Teardrop Corner Reinforcements
- Stainless Steel Rings
- Racing Trim Stripes
- Nylon Twist (Leech) Telltales
- Yarn Flow (Horizontal) Telltales
- Class Insignia
- Sail Numbers and Country Code
- Certified Measurement
- Drawstring Sail Bag
Optional Features
- Reef Points
- Carbon Battens
- Simple Luff Slides
- Custom Luff & Batten Car Systems
- Overhead Leech Cord
- Spreader Tip Patches
- Custom Graphics
ROLLER FURLING GENOA
Roller Furling Genoas are the primary workhorse on most cruising boats. North Furling Genoas have the strength and toughness to withstand the inevitable flogging, furling, rig impact and shock loading associated with bluewater sailing. We offer a dedicated range of cruising materials designed to endure harsh conditions.
Our specialized cruising designs provide smoother shape on all points of sail – whether beating, reaching, or running wing on wing. To ensure many years or cruising performance and value, North Sails cruising experts customize your genoa to fit your needs.
Standard Features
- Webbing Head and Tack Loops
- Stainless Steel Clew Ring
- Adjustable Leech and Foot Cords
- Exclusive Teardrop Corner Reinforcements
- Heavy Weight Luff Tape
- Spreader Patches
- Stanchion Patches
- Yarn Steering (Luff) Telltales
- Drawstring Sail Bag
Optional Features
- Rope Luff Reefing Pad
- Extended Head and Tack Reef Patches
- UV Leech and Foot Cover
- Radar Patch
3Di DOWNWIND - “Offwind Perfection”
3Di Composite Sailmaking, Now Available Downwind
For the first time, sailors can enjoy the benefits of 3D molding and composite construction in select downwind sails.
3D molding provides a precisely shaped and smooth sail surface for optimized aerodynamics. Composite construction enables high-resolution spread filament tape distribution, placing exactly the right amount of material in exactly the right direction.
3Di Downwind eliminates the parasitic weight and inevitable distortion of mylar film – a significant advantage in lightweight downwind sails.
- Custom designed sails for maximum VMG
- Targeted for fast, flat Code Sail applications
- Downwind spread filament tape series; high strength, lightweight.
- Helix Luff technology for select sail types
RECOMMENDED USE
- DOWNWIND 300: 100% Polyester
- DOWNWIND 600: Aramid / UltraPE
- DOWNWIND 700: UltraPE / Aramid
- DOWNWIND 800: Carbon / UltraPE
Offshore Racing / Course Record Breaking / Multihull Racing and Cruising
AVAILABLE COLORS
HELIX CODE ZERO
Helix Code Sails are designed for ultimate versatility and steady power delivery. This new generation of Code Sails features a Structured Luff that optimally shares the overall load with a purpose-built Future Fibres cord; enabling steady power delivery, lower the total load, greater luff projection, and a wider range. The performance potential of Helix Code Sails is maximized with North 3Di but is also available for downwind paneled sails.
More about Helix
Standard Features
- Helix Structured Luff
- Future Fibres Luff Cord (excludes Code 50)
Optional Features
- SmartLuff™Sensor
- Integral Clew Strop
- Trim Chevrons
- SailKote Plus
- Custom North Sails Graphics
RACING ASYMMETRIC SPINNAKERS - A2 & A4
A2 MEDIUM-AIR RUNNER
A4 HEAVY-AIR RUNNER
North’s powerful Racing Asymmetrics are the evolutionary descendants of our dominant America’s Cup and Volvo Ocean Race designs. They have been developed using the University of Auckland Twisted Flow Wind Tunnel and the North Sails Virtual Wind Tunnel™ downwind flow simulation software.
The result is a stable asymmetric spinnaker that delivers increased drive and reduced drag over a broader wind spectrum, which is especially important for today’s generation of lighter, faster-accelerating boats.
North Racing Asymmetrics are offered in six different wind range models, each with a targeted selection of high performance downwind materials to precisely match your boat and type of racing.
WIND ANGLE CHART
Standard Features
- Computer molded using North proprietary software
- TrueRadial™ construction, every seam is shaped
- Color choices available for nylon spinnaker fabrics
- Stainless steel corner rings with strap reinforcement
- Adjustable Dyneema leech, luff and foot cords
- Sail Numbers, Country Code
- Certified Measurement
- North Spinnaker Box Sail Bag
Optional Features
- Multiple weight panel constructions
- Integral Clew Strop
- Retriever Patch
- Gybulator Lazy Sheet Keeper
- Anti Torsion Furling Luff Rope
- Trim Chevrons
- SailKote Plus
- Custom North Sails Graphics
NORTH 3Di FABRICATION PROCESS
- FILAMENTS INTO TAPES
- Starts with fibers to make some spread filament tapes of carbon, aramid, dyneema.
- Sails are made of 70% materials (carbon, aramid, dyneema) and 30% thermoset resin
- Your own tapes are then stored in a fridge
- LAY 3Di TAPES
- Tapes being laid down by a machine in multiple layers in different panels.
- The sail design process defines:
- How the tapes are being laid based on the expected loads (orientation)
- High area loads like the corners are thicker (head, clew)
- Different materials are used for the layers (design process)
- SET YOUR SHAPE
- Assembly of the different panels (like a puzzle) on a custom 3D mold.
- Vaccum pressure is applied on the sail
- Cooking process with heater scanning the complete mold, called as thermoset resin.
- CURING TIME
- Curing process for days
- Once cured, the sail shape and durability is permanent
- FINISHING TOUCHES
- Finition (head, clew, tack…)
VIDEO OUTLINE / TRANSCRIPT - Performance Sail Product Selection & Review
Visuals | Narrative | Time |
What are performance sails and how are they different than standard sails?
- A performance sail makes your boat go faster
- It is compromise between sail design, materials used and fabrication process
| 2 | |
What are the specific benefits to cruisers or when would you need them?
- Cruisers can also benefit from the sail design and techniques used for racing sails to enhance their sailing experience
- More efficient sails will translate power into more forward motion and less leeway, less helm, less heel for a monohull
- High tech sails are lighter, making them easier to handle and reduces weight aloft
- Performance sails will help you become a better sailor as you’ll naturally want to optimize their shape
- Performance sails can be custom design to fit your boat and sailing style
| 2 | |
What are the options available to cruisers and what are the tradeoffs between them?
- Cost and durability have been con | 5 | |
How are they made?
- Sail design: specific to your boat and sailing requirements
- Filaments into tapes (rolls) ⇒ rolls into shapes ⇒ and finally baked!
1. Filament into tapes
2. Lay 3Di tapes
3. Set your shape
4. Curing process
5. Finishing touches | 2 | |
What do they cost compared to standard sails and to each other?
- North: 30% more (?) than competition
- Questions:
. Will their lifespan be 30% longer?
. Will their performance (shape) be maintained 30% longer? | 2 | |